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Do you think that the proposals will encourage more walking, cycling and wheeling along Lower Bridge Street?
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Profile of Andrew Abbess
Posted by:Andrew Abbess
5 years ago
The plans suggest increasing the amount of stone sets beyond the Stirling Bridge and further into Bridgehaugh Road. Please do not do this. The sets are very cycle and wheel chair unfriendly ( I would love to see a pissed off wheel chair user bring a case for Disability Discrimintation under Equality Act against the land owner, If only my elderly mother was still with us....). Its bad enough HES not being willing to have a heritage surface that does not exclude wheel chairs users but you dont have to make it even worse by extending the sets. https://mikscarlet.com/cobbles-can-a-paving-material-be-evil/
Profile of Andrew Fraser
Posted by:Andrew Fraser
5 years ago
@Andrew Abbess I've often wondered what exactly is wrong with dense bitumen macadam and asphalt. Are they just too smooth?
Why do we want to return to the discomfort and danger of the past? We all know that maintenance is inadequate, anyway.
Profile of David Robertson
Posted by:David Robertson
6 years ago
The proposals look good but I still believe the majority of people will still use Wallace Street as it is much faster and a quiet street. I'm still not sure why we're not looking to make that the main route and to tidy up the underpasses.
Profile of Andrew Fraser
Posted by:Andrew Fraser
6 years ago
@David Robertson Plowden and Hillman warned us years ago (mid-80s, I think) about a half-hearted approach to providing for cyclists, but that looks like what we're getting. The box culverts through which pedestrians and cyclists have to squeeze at the moment are probably hopelessly substandard. They probably need to be replaced with something more attractive. There was some talk about re-vamping the Clock / Customs roundabout completely, and this is probably what we should be concentrating on. No objection tarting up Lower Bridge Street, but I don't see that as a serious attempt to get a few more people cycling. I agree, if I was cycling from town centre to the other side of the river, of course I would use Wallace Street, and put up with the poor provision at the roundabout. (Sorry, pedestrians.).
Profile of Andrew Fraser
Posted by:Andrew Fraser
6 years ago
Why would I want to cycle along Cowane Street/Lower Bridge Street, when I'd be better going by Wallace Street?
Profile of James F
Posted by:James F
6 years ago
@Andrew Fraser the solution is also supposed to be child-friendly, hence the segregated path on Cowane Street without sharing the road with traffic. Given how narrow tha underpasses are currently, I still think the Cowane Street route might actually be faster if there are no obstructions and no need to slow down to avoid pedestrians at the underpass, despite the slight dogleg. That assumes everybody is going over the old bridge though, when for some heading to Raploch, these proposals would definitely be shorter!
Posted by:unknown author
5 years ago
@Andrew Fraser Wallace Street was considered during the initial optioneering process. The underpass presents a number of safety and equalities concerns and the outcome of the options appraisal highlighted the benefits of improving Cowane Street, offering traffic calming and a strong advert for modal shift, along with the additional safe crossings. People will of course still be able to use Wallace Street and the underpass however it is important that the focus is on providing a safe and direct route.
Profile of D M
Posted by:D M
6 years ago
No idea why the current underpass had not been utilised here? It could have been upgraded, widened, flatten slopes etc. There’s an existing arrangement of underpasses that could all be upgraded substantially to create a super-hub of connections from Riverside, Causewayhead, Raploch, Bridge of Allan. I really think the whole project has not been ambitious enough. There could be river crossings to create new routes away from the road network for example. Starting with an idea like a super-hub here could drive interest and investment to help fund a larger infrastructure project. Multiple comments about cycle networks out to Blair Drummond and beyond, great opportunities. Invest in a network of routes out of Stirling and you would create a unique environment for tourists and locals to explore, and generate income to expand further. Big Thinking required rather than a “we have to start with something” approach.
Profile of James F
Posted by:James F
6 years ago
@D M sadly I expect that will prove much too expensive as the concrete walls prop up the road above. Doubt that closure would go down at all well with some vocal drivers who would already complain about spending so much on cycling!
Profile of James F
Posted by:James F
6 years ago
While I know it might be tricky for various reasons, I would really like to see something done about the surface of the Old Bridge. there are times when it's too uneven to walk on, let alone cycle, and it currently doesn't work that well as a shared space, especially as the main bottleneck for all the cycle routes. Would it be possibly to replace the current surface with flatter, modern setts that would still be sympathetic to the bridge's architecture? If these projects can accommodate natural stone paving elsewhere, I see no reason why this couldn't be included here.
Posted by:unknown author
6 years ago
@James F This has been raised and Historic Scotland is the obstacle to an alternative surface. They have refused so far to allow any change. It is going to be taken further but . . .
Profile of James F
Posted by:James F
6 years ago
@Paul Rimmer suspected that might be the case. Hopefully there's an acceptable compromise somewhere!
Profile of Roddy Cramilton
Posted by:Roddy Cramilton
6 years ago
it would be very costly and perhaps not something that could be reasonably included in this project but a new more accessible bridge between the Raploch and the Cornton would make a huge difference, not just for people getting around by active travel but also for sightseers spending time on the Old Bridge
Posted by:unknown author
6 years ago
@Roddy Cramilton Remember the grand plans for the City Deal? There were to be bridges galore but the reality is that there are to be none.
Profile of Andrew Fraser
Posted by:Andrew Fraser
5 years ago
@Paul Rimmer So we're stuck with three hopelessly sub-standard road bridges over the Forth, within the "City" boundary, none of them suitable for cyclists. Must be a unique situation ...
Posted by:unknown author
6 years ago
Who owns the land between Lower Bridge Street (leading to the Underpass) and the Roundabout? If it is Council land, can we have a more direct route to Drip Road instead of all the bends?
We need a more definitive proposal to connect to Raploch / Sainsbury's / and on to Craigforth than a double headed arrow saying 'Onward travel to Raploch'. There is a route from Riverside and Wallace Street through underpasses that comes up to the south side of the Old Bridge. The end of this shown on your drawing in light blue. From there, you can go into Raploch along the Riverside path or along Laurencecroft Road (in front of Baynes) and either into Raploch along Ramsay Place (leading to Sainsbury's) or along Ochil Crescent. The route to Laurencecroft Road is either cut off or actively discouraged by this proposal.
It's good to see that the crossing arrangements at Cornton Road have been straightened out compared with the existing arrangement. Please consider putting in some preventative measures at the other end of that path where it comes out on to Bridgehaugh Road to prevent parked vehicles blocking the entrance. This happens occasionally at the moment.
Posted by:unknown author
5 years ago
@Paul Rimmer This location is currently going through planning process for a new development. We are working through the planning process to interface their boundary with the proposed cycleway. The underpass presents a number of safety and equalities concerns and therefore we are looking to introduce an alternative route that can be used by all. Our design will provide dropped kerbs for access along Ramsay Place towards Drip Road – Raploch/ Sainsburys.
Posted by:unknown author
5 years ago
@Michaela Jackson The only planning application shown is for the erection of a care home (21/00089) and the land take for that would not prevent a more direct route from Lower Bridge Street to the crossing on Drip Road.
I'm not sure which underpass you are referring to in your comment.
To clarify about my comment concerning 'a route from Riverside and Wallace Street through underpasses that comes up to the south side of the Old Bridge', I fully understand and support an alternative route to using Wallace Street. However, it is inevitable that the route from Riverside through the underpass from Lovers Walk into the Bridge Clock Roundabout and then onwards to the Old Bridge will continue to be used. There is no shorter alternative. This needs to be accepted and incorporated as the primary route from Riverside to Sainsbury's and beyond. And in the opposite direction, children cycling to Riverside Primary School either from Raploch or coming across the Old Bridge from Causewayhead are not going to cycle all the way along Cowane Street / Goosecroft Road to go into Riverside along Forth Place / Shore Road This is both longer and, once you get into Riverside, has no safe designated cycling route to the school.
Profile of Andrew Fraser
Posted by:Andrew Fraser
5 years ago
@Paul Rimmer I agree - basically, the pinch points need to be dealt with first, if we're serious about the matter. But that's never the way that public bodies act. Fur coat, nae etc. you; know the phrase.
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