How else can we improve?
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What other measures do you think could improve the streets to encourage walking and cycling?
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Profile of Lynn N
Posted by:Lynn N
5 years ago
I would have preferred longer to think this through but there is no time for that as I was unaware that comments would still be accepted.
How can we improve? Well, how about we all look at these problems with fresh eyes?
Stirling is a historic town with visitors and local people using it for both shopping and history. But times are changing rapidly. The centre is losing shops and is, therefore, less attractive to the visitors who intend to indulge in this pastime. The historical interest will remain largely unchanged (pandemics permitting). In future, Stirling may be falling over itself to encourage visitors who will spend money.
New housing has sprouted in many areas when the population may be flattening ... but this has not been backed up with the necessary infrastructure of safe parks and play areas. There are very few areas for families and young people to meet and be outdoors. King’s Park is one of the few remaining outdoor leisure spaces and it is becoming overcrowded. Parking on sunny days and holidays is a problem with vehicles parked opposite road junctions and much too close to pedestrian islands. An ice-cream van blocks views at the main entrance junction which encourages pedestrians and young people to this already unsafe area. Vehicular access to free parking at this same junction is awkward at best and, at worst, a potential danger zone for very serious accidents. And the future plans for Stirling look likely to make this whole area less safe.
As a cyclist who has been accustomed to cycling in a country with many cycle lanes, I find Stirling roads extremely hazardous – if you have not cycled then try it - you would not travel far before you understood the difficulties. The nearby Falkirk council, by comparison, has a much safer linked network of paths for walkers and cyclists.
Empty commercial premises lie everywhere at the same time as new business parks are being developed. There is even a new commercial property being built within the edge of a natural and rich nature reserve when behind it a new business park lies empty. If you are thinking towards a better future then why would such a development be allowed in this location? Why must we have new buildings in more new areas when there are existing buildings and areas that should be used or repurposed.
Electric cars are being encouraged but Stirling is not yet ready and prepared to accommodate these.
Bus lanes are a focal point on the suggested proposals but public transport is woefully inadequate – smaller buses could be used to supply more local areas on a far more frequent basis. (This is supposing that these buses have a destination that people still wish to visit.)
None of the proposed plans appear current and able to deal with our imminent and long-term future. These are plans that encourage rat-runs through residential areas and that intend keeping vehicles away from a dying town centre where this may soon be a problem of the past. Fulfilling any one of these proposals looks likely to be hard-earned money squandered.
The world as we have known it is changing at at an incredible rate. We should ask ourselves if any of these plans suit the future that is fast approaching. I would scrap the lot and look at our changing environment more closely with a firm eye on the unfolding future.
Profile of william ruddell
Posted by:william ruddell
5 years ago
I have been asked by several people to post a note of the response from Kings Park Community Council (KPCC) to these proposals. Although we do our best to represent the views of local residents (that is our statutory responsibility) we appreciate that not everyone will agree with every thing we say. However we do our best, and below is a summary of our agreed position as expressed to SC on March 2nd.
"I promised to update you following tonight's meeting of KPCC. We discussed the College cycleway route proposals at length and I have to report unanimous opposition to the proposals as they stand. After our initial meeting in Feb 2019 we were enthusiastic about the development of a cycleway and improved streetscape along Dumbarton Rd and Albert Place, but the new proposals now before us bear no relation to the original plans, which incorporated a segregated cycleway and preservation of a two way vehicular road as at present. I will briefly enumerate our objections.
1. Even allowing for the hoped for "modal change" in transport towards cycling, wheeling and walking this road will remain the main access from the west into the City - there is no viable alternative without virtually circumnavigating the city, and clogging up many other roads. Our main tourist attraction (the Castle) brings in many thousands of visitors, not to mention Top of the Town residents and shoppers heading for the Thistle Centre - all use the Albert Place/Dumbarton Rd route.
2. It is not a much used cycle route at present - I counted two hundred cars and vans without seeing a single cyclist. I accept it is hoped this will change by providing the infrastructure. There are many much used cycle routes in need of upgrading.
3. Diverting this traffic around Queens Rd, Victoria Place, the dangerous double mini roundabout at the Park gates, and on to Drummond Place and Snowden Place will threaten the safety of this route for cyclists and pedestrians and particularly children, all of whom are much more numerous around the Park than in Albert Place.
4. We absolutely do not accept that a shared space for cyclists and cars is safe, particularly for children. This is a school route and any cycle way provided must be segregated. I was surprised that this point, which was strongly made at the Working Group Teams, did not feature more prominently in your summary of that meeting.
5. The "bus gate" proposals are difficult to understand in view of the minimal bus traffic here, and would create chaos at the Allan Park junction.
6. You have stated repeatedly that this project is independent of, and unrelated to, the VLR. As you know there is massive community opposition to this absurd proposal. Where does the diverted traffic go when it reaches the end of Snowden Place? I am not even beginning to address the problems for east to west traffic.
7. If it is not possible for space reasons to have a segregated cycleway then the scheme in our view is unacceptable, and an alternative should be sought (see below).
8. And there is an obvious alternative, which would also be a lot cheaper.
The first part of the University route could easily double up as the first part of the College route, as far as the Clocktower. After this the route would split, with the College route going along Drip Rd -where much of the infrastructure is already in place. This would be shorter, cheaper and much less disruptive. This would provide the link from City to College but would not address the need for streetscape improvement and safe cycling in Dumbarton Rd/Albert Place which we would be keen to consider with you.
I hope you will take these points on board and look forward to our next Teams meeting on Thursday.
Yours Sincerely
Bill
Dr William Ruddell
Chairman, Kings Park Community Council "
KPCC have of course also been active in opposing the ridiculous VLR and for anyone interested I would be happy to post a summary of our objections and alternative proposals to this nonsense.
Profile of Adrian Louden
Posted by:Adrian Louden
5 years ago
@william ruddell thank you William. Totally agree with your points.
Profile of Adrian Louden
Posted by:Adrian Louden
5 years ago
Restrict traffic entering Snowdon Place to reduce pollution and protect children and families that use the park facilities.
Profile of michelle church
Posted by:michelle church
5 years ago
I walk and cycle around Stirling everyday and actually the Viewforth proposal would really benefit me. I can't remember if it will have cycle lanes or cycle path but that would be ideal. Increasing traffic on queen's Road (if I understand correctly you wish to redirect traffic away from Albert Place? ) would be catastrophic given the proximity to a park that attracts families children cyclists skateboarders.
Profile of Stewart Small
Posted by:Stewart Small
5 years ago
@michelle church A cycle path would be great. But the road is not necessary
Profile of Stewart Small
Posted by:Stewart Small
5 years ago
Cancel the Viewforth link road and invest instead in separated cycle routes in to the centre (ie on routes that most would choose to use)
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